Barn Preservation Society
to the Study and Preservation
of New World Dutch Barns
FALL 1999, Vol. 12, Issue 2, Part Two
THE PETER WINNE HOUSE
AT BETHLEHEM, NEW YORK: A SITE REPORT, continued
of the Winne-Creble House
The stone section is an addition off to one side of the main house,
obvious in the cellar where it butts onto the earlier stone foundation
of the two room house. This addition is of field stone except for
the gable end of brick. It has original door frames on the east
side (an original Dutch door recently went missing) and into the
main house. There is an original window frame and molding also
on the east side (originally and now a sash window). Other windows
have been changed or added (second story gable windows may have
original features, also a small window on west side of addition).
On the second floor is one original mid-18th century paneled door,
casing and molding, the only original door in the house. There
is a Georgian style fireplace on the main floor which once had
paneling around it (reported to have been put in storage long ago
on the second floor and last seen there a year ago, now missing).
In the fireplace is an original Oxford Furnace large fireback from
Sussex, NJ (now Warren County) held with typical twisted iron bars
with the arms of the English monarch, dating to the mid-18th century.
This was, however, not the first fireplace. The first was a Dutch
open fireplace judging by the framing for such a chimney. That
type of fireplace was not built after the 1750/60s, suggesting
a date for the addition of that time. The upstairs paneled door
dates from about the same time. The original configuration of this
main floor is not immediately evident. The stairway is not original
though it may be in the original location.
The basement in this added section has finished joists and a
fireplace, both confirming that this was a kitchen, whether full
time or summer. The fireplace has been rebuilt in recent years,
but an arch support in the cellar is original and likely (further
inspection needed) part of a Dutch open fireplace.
The east side porch on the addition is fairly recent. It also
suffers from a buckling cellar wall below it, the one really serious
structural problem in the house, other than a roof leak from tree
Looking at the outside, we find original iron gutter hangers
on the west side wall. The small window on this side may have its
original frame. Its small size will indicate the specific use and
conformation of the space within. On the gable end the wall is
all brick in generally original condition (never painted). Two
iron wall anchors hold the framework of the original Dutch fireplace
frame to the brick wall. The brickwork on the roof edge is not
set in "braidwork", indicating that it was not a parapet
gable but was sheltered under the roof boards and shingles as now.
There is a "kick" to the lower roof shape which may be
original (check on this).
of the ell addition of ca. 1750-60. Iron wall anchors (2) served
to secure two short wall joists which form part of the framework
for the Dutch fireplace on which the hood chimney rested. About
1770-90 the Dutch fireplace was replaced with an English style
Georgian fireplace surrounded with paneling (now gone). Notice
how the roof springs outward as it approaches the eaves, a feature
which appears to be original and only rarely found in the upper
Hudson Valley Dutch houses, although common in the lower Hudson
Valley and New Jersey and Long Island. Photo by Roderic Blackburn.
This house in its original form containing two rooms was a true
Dutch house of a type rarely seen today. It is almost unique for
its urban Dutch character (See the Teunis Slingerland house for
a similar configuration). Its original front gable end was and
is still brick with fleur-delis wall anchors, original transom
light door frame (with distinctive Dutch transom molding rarely
seen elsewhere), and, uniquely, its original overhanging molding
(there is a small overhang on the rear gable). This indicates that
the upper gable was likely not brick but either clapboard or, as
in the case of the 922 Broadway Dutch house, shingles. No surviving
Dutch house in America has this feature.
In its original configuration, the clapboard side wall extended
above the second floor 1-2 feet before the steep roof began. The
original rafters have been reused. They show double collar beam
mortises and lap joints indicating a high pitched roof. Close examination
will reveal the angle they were once set at and thus the exact
pitch and shape of the roof. Other reused pieces from the gable
end walls may exist and indicate the type of covering (shingle,
clapboard) and gable window type and size. The photo of the 922
Broadway house gives one possibility.
This house is still structurally sound even though it is superficially
trashed with all manner of household stuff left everywhere inside
and out. It looks like a mess. The grounds are grown into heavy
weed cover obscuring any view of the 1 5 acres of what was once
a Dutch farm close to the VI oman Kill. What appears to be a silted
in pond exists just below the house (as does a series of 20th century
small animal shelters and a small barn closer to the main road).
The setting is actually charming, the house sitting on a rise,
shaded by trees, overlooking a bend in the creek) though one would
not realize it in its present derelict condition.
Because of the rarity of this type of house and the fact that
it is structurally intact, it is definitely worth restoring as
an appealing Dutch residence. Likely this could be done within
a budget which would still be within the resulting value of the
property if it were acquired for a reasonable price. A great project
for a young couple with a dedication to a Dutch house and an ability
to do the finish work themselves! Whether the second story remains
or is restored to its original steep roof form, it is a usable
house for a small family or couple. Many of the missing features
(windows, doors, moldings, fireplaces) can likely be ascertained
from existing evidence and similar houses. The interior could look
very much like the interior of the Luykas Van Alen House in Kinderhook
(1737), one of the most distinctive Dutch houses in the Hudson
Tongue Shape - Trademark of the Same Builder?
By Christopher Albright
It is probable that a builder would have constructed
more than one barn throughout his lifetime. However, one
does not usually find two Dutch barns that are identical.
This could have been because an evolution of sorts took
place throughout the builder's life. As he built barns,
he improved his design. Or maybe the builder wanted to
vary the style from barn to barn to demonstrate his ability
or to get away from the boredom of repetition. For whatever
reason though, to find two barns that show evidence of
the same builder is rare. In southern Albany County, there
are two barns which have some characteristics which are
the same and which imply that they were built by the same
anchorbeam to column joint of the Slingerlands barn showing
tombstone shaped anchorbeam tongue. This barn was constructed
using the scribe rule. Also notice the strut for the hay
manger attached to the anchorbeam to the right of the brace
and which is now broken off. The strut was attached to
the anchorbeam with three rose head nails.
The anchorbeam to column joint
of the Collins barn. This barn was also constructed using
the scribe rule. Notice that the anchorbeam tongue has
only one wedge as opposed to the Slingeriands barn having
two. Photos by Chris Albright.
The two barns are the Collins barn and the Slingeriands
barn. They are located in "the Town of Coeymans and
are about five miles apart. The Collins barn measures 52
feet wide by 61 feet long and has six bays. The Slingeriands
barn is 52 feet wide and 42 feet long and has four bays.
The layout of the three aisles is identical. There is a 32
foot center aisle and 10 foot side aisles. The side walls
are both 16 feet high. Both have bays that are between 10
and 11 feet wide. The rafters are seated to the wall plate
with a birdsmouth cut. The pitch of the roofs is nearly identical
because the columns are almost the same height. The most
important similarity between these two barns is the unique
shape of the anchorbeam tongues. A notch is cut into the
tongue on the top and bottom giving it a sort of tombstone
appearance. I have observed this style of tongue design on
only one other barn. That is the barn now at Granville, New
York, which was moved there from the same town that these
two barns are in. Because of the rarity of this anchorbeam
tongue shape coupled with the similar building dimensions
and the close proximity of their location, I believe there
is a high likelihood that they had the same builder.
1999 Recipient of the Dutch
Barn Repair Grant: The Frederick Barn of Montgomery County,
By Thomas Lanni
The Gremps/Fredericks Dutch Barn in Stone Arabia, Montgomery
County is undergoing preservation work thanks to the DBPS and its
members. The fifty-by-fifty foot Dutch barn, now owned by Thomas
Lanni, is benefiting from a $500 matching grant awarded by the
Society this summer. The barn is thought to predate the Revolutionary
War, having survived Johnson's burning of the valley despite its
proximity to the Stone Arabia battlefield. The interior of the
barn is unique in the quality of its original fabric, including
a complete granary with forged iron bars in its exterior window.
An effort is underway to not only keep the eighteenth century barn
on its original site, but to also preserve the 200+ years of history
and changes in agricultural practice the present building represents.
1999 Dutch Barn Repair Grant was awarded to Thomas Lanni, owner
of the Gremps/Fredericks Dutch Barn in Stone Arabia, Montgomery
County New York. Photo by Chris Albright.
Amish workers under the direction of Rudy Byler have clambered
over the barn, patching the leaks and sealing the metal roof. The
original wagon doors with wooden hinges on the West gable and the
twentieth century sliding replacements on the East gable have both
been removed for restoration. Randy Nash of the New York State
Barn Company has found large clear pine logs and had them band
sawn into 1 x 16 boards to replace the weather-beaten siding on
the West facade. The old boards will be removed and salvaged, and
the nailing pattern documented so that the new siding will be as
true to the original as possible. Much else needs to be done, but
the work continues apace, thanks to the commitment of the owner
and the generosity of the DBPS and its members.
Dutch Barn Preservation Society
The Mabee Farm Historic Site
1080 Main St. (Rt. 5S)
Junction, NY 12150
Phone: (518) 887-5073
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